:-). This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. This means that a home gardener could unknowingly be supporting the development and proliferation of genetically modified crops if the seeds used are from Seminis. No shipping on orders over $30. hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. Do you have 12 months to wait for it? What a person intends and what they end up doing are not always the same. As of 2005 Ferry Morse is owned by Jiffy, makers of the Jiffy starter kits and based in Norway. I simply replied that I do not, would not and have not called attention to your intentions because they were never part of this discussion. There was no need to be offended, my addition of those key phrases might have indicated to you my intention to not offend you and that my mind was still open to further explanation. I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. Invented in 1939, SUPERthrive has had a fabulous journey that few products can match all thanks to the creativity and passion of its founder, Dr. John Thomson. And you are depending on the current legal climate, while Monsanto is using all that money you are putting in their coffers to try to alter the legal climate, so that they will ultimately have control of the food supply. It's rhetorical. You suggested that you respected this by saying afterwards: "I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. Not a good fit. In my opinion, it should not even be legal to do that. If you want to avoid the improved non-GMO varieties, just buy vintage varieties. The loser is the home gardener). You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". Thanks for bringing them to my attention. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. 0000510000 00000 n What will Florida be without orange juice? 0000055179 00000 n Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously since before Abe Lincoln was President. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. Silly scare-mongering. They also had 50 seed in their sunflower packets. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. But, to be honest, that is an effect more of the monolithic style of farming that has been the standard in this country since the end of the Second World War rather than a direct result of growing genetically engineered plants. The Citrus Browning is global, so if GMO is the only workable solution, not adopting it in Florida (after our Citrus growers sponsor it) will just mean other growing areas will pick up the slack, probably Brasil, and they likely will need to implement the GMO citrus and just take out produce just as Mexico did with strawberries and tomatoes already. Then read your own comment. I will not boycott good seed companies because Monsanto owns them. Zach - you are right, there is always two sides to an issue, but consider the fact that Monsanto has a fortune to spend on convincing the public to see things from their point of view. Unless you are saying that all information that is critical of Monsanto is false. Any seed you buy will not be GMO, unless you are a commercial farmer and then you will must sign a GMO agreement before they will sell you seeds. I have not appealed to you even to acknowledge that you told me millions of people are dying due to GMOs in India. I could easily conclude that you were looking for an argument about whether people should be boycotting GMO seed companies. [5] Morse built the company up, and in 1884 bought out Kellogg and incorporated as C.C. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. :-|. I have not responded to each point you've made because my posts would become much too long. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. That's okay Ed. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. I said this topic was an emotional issue for everyone, not just me. Yes, you read that right. But I am not making a blanket statement. About Ferry-Morse. Ferry-Morse also set the industry standards for seed quality including insisting upon seed freshness and testing germination rates. I support first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness when evaluating any product. [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. I have tremendous respect for what they are trying to do. Best Vegetable Seed Companies - Mother Earth News I hope to be able to continue having options to grow all conventionally bred varieties, including Better Boy tomatoes, therefore I will have no part of any boycott of wholesome, certifiably organic vegetable varieties smearing them so that they eventually might become discontinued and lost forever to those of us who like to grow them. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. If you need to label me, which I feel is unfair and would not do to you, please put me in the category of "independent thinker" and "undecided" on the whole GMO mess. Loss of the citrus industry will be catastrophic and change Florida. I am not "torn", because that is creating a false dichotomy as if I must only bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or Monsanto marketers. All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. I point people to natives and to the NEWFS to purchase natives. Or do you actually believe that all the lawsuits [which there are many beyond what happened in India] and the complaints against Monsanto are manufactured and Monsanto and GMO seeds are above reproach? And I believe I have already explained other reasons for why I avoid GMO seeds and Monsanto which you evidently don't accept. Add to Cart. I will not martyr my favorite varieties as you might. We are proud to carry Organic and Heirloom Vegetable seeds as well. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. 0000011681 00000 n For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. I looked and this is the one Mother Earth News article that I was thinking of in particular. https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/seedindustry.html. :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." If you support their companies, you have no idea what they are doing behind the scenes. Here is the original post which drew my attention and the topic I was staying on as much as possible: "If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. 0000510282 00000 n What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. Syngenta - This is the first I am hearing about it. People tend to gloss over all the grey, and even white, areas as a way to paint the entire issue as something to be reviled and hated, something to be fought against. I buy seeds from organizations I have some reason to trust and who are functioning in a way I appreciate. Now we meander into the never-ending GMO debate when and you give me about 7 points with links they you don't have time to review for quality, which have nothing to do with the boycott I objected to. So I don't trust the viability of this list. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. You pepper your posts saying *if this and that are true*, and then you expect me to clean up that mess by answering them all? I'm simply saying that I don't trust Monsanto. Ferry-Morse Reviews USA 2023 Ferry-Morse invented the practice of selling seeds to home gardeners in individual illustrated packets, available to home gardeners by way of racks he created to showcase the seed varieties. Is there actually a big difference between someone being torn and being undecided? The title of the list is bogus. I think they would like to have nothing but GMO seeds available to buy to everyone, including home gardeners. The original article is trash (but not the underlying subject), not because I say so, but because it is filled with omissions and inconsistencies as nailed by Ed & Rodney. 0000016303 00000 n Only you, evidently, are in pursuit of the truth, and are not trying to mislead or manipulate? You dont know what to think about my question? -- if that is correct, than what you are saying is that you do choose GMO. [4] Ferry changed the company name to Ferry, Church & Co, and two years later, when Church retired,[5] Ferry changed the name again, this time to D.M. Plantation Products, Inc. - Dave's Garden Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . Where you don't trust Monsanto Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, etc. You could take them to the cleaners for such a misrepresentation: "FAQ: Are the home garden seeds genetically modified (GM)? "Ferry Morse Seed Company, San Francisco", Central Garden & Pet Completes Acquisition of Green Garden, Digitized copies of D.M. You give me alternative suggestions, but Im afraid you have not solved the GMO issue with your alternative suggestions at all. I try to learn how to make a habitat for pollinators. With over 1800 seed varieties on offer, the company is proud to have veggies like Black Incan Corn, Coffee Okra and Marble Beans on its roster. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. That is why there is a plethora of graphs and guides online trying to keep track of what they actually own. Between Monsanto having all the wealth on their side, to blanket us with their own carefully crafted PR campaign and the government having the power to give them carte blanche, it's easy to see why those that oppose what they are doing have a hard time being heard and understood. Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. But if you did not have an interest or the time to look at them, you only had to say so. You should not assume I must do all the grunt work for an argument if I start and find no credibility nor effort to fact check on your part. Charlevoix operations continued until 1927. They used a popular buzzword and didn't bother to do the most superficial fact-checking. Sorry. Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject youre discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". The cries against GE crops can be so shrill and misinformed that it leads people to destroy test fields of the golden rice, ruining not only beneficial scientific progress and research, but medicine that children in poor countries desperately need. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . They are restricted by commercial agreement to the grower who makes it illegal for us to buy the seeds and Monsanto went along with that as a commercial decision. for pricing and availability. Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done and is doing? So, when your government does not protect you from companies like Monsanto, you are left to do the best you can to protect yourself and to do your measly part to try to protect the availability of unadulterated seed. I have been buying most of my seed from FEDCO the last few years. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. 0000536209 00000 n What is it that you feel I am bullying you into doing? I haven't bought a herbicide or insecticide. Pupilla - From my point of view, in any conversation with another person, you have to win their favor enough to interest them in continuing a conversation with you. You disagreed that I said "a better understanding of an issue was gotten, simply by 'getting the word out'", which was not what I said. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. 0000519148 00000 n To do that you just can buy any home garden seed you want. I haven't bought a non organic commercial fertilizer in 30 years of growing. Rather than bow, I will use the word "succumb". I expect the same good faith from you.. And this is just one example of you analyzing my contributions to the discussion. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". Really? Your interpretation of another comment is again, not quite accurate. [4], By the early 1900s, the company was doing over $2,000,000 per year in business, and supplying seeds to 160,000 retail outlets. Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. I can avoid their products, which I do. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Why are you insisting to know my religious beliefs, which is what I consider this? And to be honest, I think above all companies, they won't be lying about this! That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. I dont see why gardeners cant support small companies who are not trying to compete with high tech seed companies. The 1906 earthquake demolished the firm's facilities, but they quickly moved to temporary space in San Francisco, and the company bought out Cox Seed and Plant. Their small Co-op is struggling with just these kind of decisions. Apparently, based on debate theory. That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. Ferry Morse Seeds & Spores - Walmart hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. You would have saved us both a lot of time. There is so much common ground between us, it can easily become eclipsed by the emotions surrounding this issue. Not relevant enough. Continually defending and explaining myself. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. 0000011324 00000 n We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. I dont know what you consider a good source of accurate information about Monsanto, but Ive quickly turned to Wikipedia for some. Hummingbird Wildflower Mix Flower Seed. Thanks your thoughts prarie. Or is it just that you reject the idea that it could possibly be a frightening outcome? Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. . Ferry-Morse is a company that specializes in supplying seeds. Better to leave the door open! The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. I share my experiences about organic growing. It's important to realize that, while there are definitely aspects of the issue that are, at best, unsavory, and at worst downright deplorable, there are also those beneficial and worthy parts of the whole as well.